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BLITZER’S BLOG: Cain’s testiness understandable, but….
November 2nd, 2011
04:11 PM ET

BLITZER’S BLOG: Cain’s testiness understandable, but….

By CNN's Wolf Blitzer

(CNN) - The latest twists in the Herman Cain sexual harassment allegations remind me of so many other similar stories we've seen play out in Washington over the years.

No matter how the story begins, you don't know where it will wind up.

What we do know is there is very high interest in the journalistic and political communities. Allegations of high-stakes politics and anything involving sex always ensure lots of attention.

The fact that Cain is atop the Republican state and national polls right now only fuels the coverage. He is, after all, running for the Republican presidential nomination.

The pressure on Cain is building. I think that explains his angry exchange with reporters on Wednesday who were shouting questions at him.

Cain is well known publicly for always having a nice temperament. Even in the face of some tough questioning, he has always remained steady – and usually with a smile.

That's why I was surprised when he let reporters have it during that testy exchange. He could have simply said – with a smile – that he has not been ducking questions, that he has done several substantive interviews in recent days, and would continue to do more. Instead, he reacted angrily.

To a certain degree, I can't blame him. The allegations of sexual harassment are ugly. This is not something anyone would want to confront. And reporters, I can testify, can be relentless.

But if you want to be president of the United States, you have to be ready for this kind of treatment. As they say: If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. It comes with the territory.

Bill Clinton, when he was running for the Democratic nomination in 1992, had to deal with the Gennifer Flowers sexual allegations story. He did, including a joint appearance with Hillary Clinton on "60 Minutes." Clinton won the nomination and the presidency that year.

Bottom line: Cain should review how other national politicians have dealt with similar allegations, and learn some lessons.

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  1. Patricia

    I have heard it asked several times on CNN what Republican women think about the Cain allegations. I am a Republican woman and I might have taken the latest allegation seriously if (a) The accuser had a different attorney. I admire Gloria Allred, but she always seems to show up where there's a scandal...and media attention. I'm starting to doubt her motives. When she said that the Senate needs to put all these people under oath, I sincerely thought she'd lost her mind. Not on my tax dollars! (2) It is his word against her word. I lined up their track records, and I choose to believe Cain unless she can produce ANY evidence. (3) I am perplexed at the double standard in the media: The whole world would come to an end if Cain was a democrat, with everyone screaming "RASCISM!" Where is Shiela Jackson Lee now? It seems that it's only racism when the attacked African American is a Democrat. Just saying.

    November 8, 2011 at 10:36 pm |
    • tmartucci123

      I guess for some people, evidence of sexual harrasement has to include pictures of the guy's hand up the woman's skirt as she described. Fact is, this nonsense happens all of the time in the workplace and most of it goes unoticed and unreported. But seems obvious that there is a pattern with this guy to the exetent that more than one woman has invited a kind of uncomfortable scrutiny most people would absolutely avoid. HCain is running for the POTUS and he absolutely will get scrutinized in detail and deservedly so. Any skeletons he has are going to be revealed. The media's job is to do the homework those of us not in the media so don't bash 'em when they do their job. Just choose not read it and stay ill informed like most Americans. Bottom line, this is all a tempest in teacup....he has no business running for president, he's not prepared, he's not skilled enough, he for many, many reasons is about as un-Presidential as you can get...and soon he'll become irrelevant like Bachman, Perry and the rest of them . And for all of those reasons, he fits into the GOP quite well.

      November 15, 2011 at 2:56 pm |
  2. rugg

    For there to be any truth to what these women are stating about Cain they should have brought this forward when Cain first put his hat in the ring not months later after he has become the front runner. The last woman is claiming sexual harassment she was not even working with him at the time if it was as she has stated with her publicist she should have called the police this woman is a joke! She should get a life and stop trying to make a dime from slandering another person

    November 8, 2011 at 6:47 pm |
  3. Richard

    Dear Wolf
    Frankly, I am disappointed with you. . While I have been an Obama supporter, I support fairness even more .
    CNN's "coverage'" of Mr. Cain's current problems –while thinly disguised as journalism– has been decidedly aimed at crucifying the man. Gloria Borger's bias & agenda comes across my 70" Sony in glowing, venomous color. Stop relying upon her opinion as she's already decided his fate.
    While Mr. Cain may ultimately be 'guilty", can't CNN at least give him a fair trial?
    CEO's and senior managers at large companies are often the victim of frivolous claims or lawsuits. CNN should make this fact known.
    It is a fact that once a claim is made against a corporate officer most companies turn the matter over to outside counsel and/or an attorney supplied by their liability insurance company. Decisions to settle are generally made on a simple cost benefit analysis with insurance companies usually paying something to make the claim go away despite the fact that the claims may be totally false.
    Ms. Bialek certainly has a questionable past yet CNN has glossed over these facts as they apparently don't fit in well with the story you want to tell.

    November 8, 2011 at 6:03 pm |
  4. Phil

    Who lies to the American People in a job interview and then expects to be hired for the highest office.

    November 8, 2011 at 5:58 pm |
  5. mr

    isnt cain running on not making excuses and doing the right thing , he is so full of himself he can not do what he says and does / casey anthony defense ,someones elses fault right ,

    November 8, 2011 at 5:51 pm |
  6. angela

    Just like Arnold Schwarzenegger, said he was innocent, and after he ruined California and cheated once more on his wife Maria, He was still cheating and with his maid. One women I say shame on him 4 and 5 women I say SHAME ON US. HE IS not to be trusted as far as I am concerned. He has too many women coming FoRWard...Shame on him.

    November 8, 2011 at 5:32 pm |
    • angela

      I am speaking on Herman Cain, he has too many women coming forward and I believe he just like ARnold Schwerzenegger is and was a cheater..He is standing up there making a fool out of all of us He will NOT get my Vote..No way..No way...he needs to drop out..he is making this a JOKE.

      November 8, 2011 at 5:35 pm |
  7. concerned

    People should stop comparing this to Clinton because they are two differnt things. One was making sexual advances or overtures to a person who did not want it or found it offencsive, and he continued to do it in the work place. Clinton did something with a willing person, and in my opinion did lie about it. Most married people do, just as I am sure Cain is lieing as well to try to keep a lot of the facts from his wife. Clinton did take a big hit from this and is what kept Gore from getting ellected because he had to distance himself, even though he did when the popular vote. I don't condone what he did but he did not hurt anyone but him and his wife.

    November 5, 2011 at 9:31 pm |
  8. Clancy

    I have been watching your coverage of the Cain harassment charges for several days and have a few suggestions to improve your coverage. I think that most people are losing the main point of the story since the two women have not put specific faces with specific charges. I honestly think that it would help if viewers were more aware of specific definition of sexual harassment during the time frame of the two reported incidents against Mr. Cain. For example, it should be clear to viewers that sexual harassment is considered more than one "unwanted" sexual advance toward another person when that person has made abundantly clear that they are not interested in such advances from a coworker. I think that most media coverage of this incident has not made clear that these women were receiving probably the targets of Cain's advances despite clear indications from the women that they were not interested in his advances. It also should be clear to viewers that a company would not endorse a settlement with the women unless it was a serious charge and could serve as an embarrassment to the company. Emphasis should also placed on the "non-consensual" nature of these interactions with Cain! Thanks for reading my email and hopefully your coverage of this incident will improve in the future!!!!

    November 4, 2011 at 7:01 pm |
    • AntiPCinHD

      Last time I checked it wasn't the right of a television channel to determine who the President of the United States is. If as an American you seed your rights; will; and future to CNN-you are an idiot. There's been discussion by Democrats re: "killing a campaign in it's crib". In other words-eliminating someone before they get started. Is not CNN carrying the water for the Dems.? Examples include using the highest level of reporters for this story in order to make it appear "important." And many Americans are dumb enough to fall for it. From now on when you go to your media source-TV/ Internet/ radio/ newspaper; prepare to absorb the information by first asking yourself: DOES THIS STORY HAVE AN AGENDA? Anyone in the corporate world knows that disgruntled employees file false claims thousands of times per year in the U.S. Cain spent 40 years in the corporate world and this is all they got? You don't think they've been checking him for dirt to ruin him? Do you actually think that Blitzer and Borger don't know the statistics of false accusations??? Or did they find a subject that is sensitive to most Americans and use it to trash a candidate who differs from their left wing ideology?

      November 5, 2011 at 2:40 pm |
  9. Mike

    Cain's twitching- any second now the mean streak he's been trying to keep a lid on is going to burst forth.

    November 3, 2011 at 6:11 pm |
    • Jeff in Jensen Florida

      Thanks, I know who to vote for, CAIN all the way

      The AP set a story that said 'cain accused... of leaking the story... without proof' At the same time, harrasment allegations are unsusbatantiated and SEALED... LET IT GO! you gave Clinton, the guy who sent state police out to get him the girls a complete pass . This rises no where near to that level, but you beat the drum.

      If CNN and AP are so against a guy AND cant find fault with his position, but they attack viciously on such flimsy and weak allegations as if he were Satans Brother,, I now know who to vote FOR.

      Seriously, the selectiveness of reportiing and the glee evident in the writing that there is trouble for your ideologic opponent is so poorly guised. I DEFY you to put out a story that says, these are allegations, they are old and they have been resolved. The NRA should maintain that integrity and simply say, no, we won't release a sealed and settled issue. No explaination is necessary.

      Mr. Cain, if you read this, simply say No. This has been resloved. No more distraction, you need not address this further. Why give them anything, they are only going to hit you with that stick.

      November 4, 2011 at 10:26 am |
  10. manny oliver

    The Tea party GOP is pulling all the dirty tricks to stop Herman Cain, who I belief thinks the whites GOP would except him as one of them. They gave him enough rope to hank himself, they simply against blacks, that has been Obama problem all along with the the tea party GOP, what make you think they were going to be different!

    November 3, 2011 at 5:16 pm |
    • Rick

      This is for everyone who reads this article. Two things to say. Where are his accusers, let them come forward and "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone".

      November 3, 2011 at 7:00 pm |
      • angela

        Looks like they are coming forward, you see we gave Arnold Schwezenegger the doubt and in the end he too was and is a cheater and fathered a child under his poor wifes nose..Cain is not a good choice..

        November 8, 2011 at 5:38 pm |
  11. joshua

    the difference between bill clinton and herman cain is that bill clintons were true and he was caught lying to cover them up. Once the phone converstations were played, he had to back track. The allegations against Cain are starting to unravel. Now we know that no one really saw them get in a cab and go to his apartment. How did that get reported without fact checking? With Bill Clinton, it was find out who these women were so the media could dig up dirt on them and trash them on the evening op shows like yours Wolf.

    November 3, 2011 at 4:59 pm |
  12. j14401s

    This all sounds like Bill Clinton all over again and he got a pass. So should Herman Cain and I don't know who I'm voting for yet. I do know this. If he really did harass me in the work place, I'd have kicked his you know what's and asked questions later. It's been known to make a man run, in the other direction. That's what these women should have done. It must be hard to carry such a secret about a man around and not blab it to someone before he is running for a political office. Of course, we probably don't have the whole story either, from both sides.

    November 3, 2011 at 2:41 pm |
  13. dcol

    Being testy just means he has something to hide. You can't treat a campaign like a book tour. Any character flaws are subject to scrutiny by the public since your purpose is to represent the public.

    November 3, 2011 at 1:15 pm |
  14. Unimpressed

    Very presidential behavior, Mr. Cain. Don't forget, the job is to serve and answer to the people. The press' job is to ask on behalf of and inform the people. You don't have to like the press or the people. But you DO have to answer to them. Pfft.

    November 3, 2011 at 12:43 pm |
  15. Palin2112

    Can't compare this to Clinton, he's not running for office, Cain is. A Romney donor, the former head of the NRA knew of these charges and is the most likely source of the initial leak. Since then a member of the Perry camp as publicly stated that he and others have personally witnessed Cain's inappropriate behaviour. Meanwhile, Perry slickly states that he is not the source if the initial leak. Not only does this demonstrate the low ethics of these contenders, it also suggests that they think that the public is stupid. They seem to forget that nit everyone is a member of the TEA party (Traitors Embracing Anarchy).

    November 3, 2011 at 12:19 pm |
  16. Jeremy

    Twisted "facts" guys. If you look at the whole exchange between Cain & reporters you see that he first said he was at that location to talk to the doctors about blah blah blah – not to answer questions about the allegations. The reporters then continued hammering with allegation questions. That's when he got testy – as I would have done – about anything! Cain will have to further address the allegations, but that wasn't the time. Clinton didn't address allegations every time a reporter threw it at him either – but he did designate a time & place where he would sit and talk about it. Report ALL the facts, Blitzer!

    November 3, 2011 at 11:46 am |
  17. Solus5

    Sexual Harrasment even though the comments weren't "overly sexual in nature"? I would be confused too.. I don't care who you are, when someone says they were there to talk about one thing and he repeadedly stated that he was not commenting on that charge and they continued to hound him.. Yeah.. I'd get upset and wonder "what part of no" do they not understand..

    Everyone thought it was "cute" when Obama took a second shot at the girl as he walked past, or his association with Jeremiah Wright, or Bill Ayres that come out that most in the media just skimmed over the top and went on.. You remember, those guys that Obama said were just, "guys in the neighborhood".. I guess a 12 year old issue that resulted in no formal charges is more sustantial than our President being invovled with terrorist that bombed the pentagon and other national places or a President with a mentor like Wright.. Sad.. Sad.. Sad..

    November 3, 2011 at 11:20 am |
  18. Perk

    Head for the Savage Nation Cain and Dr. Savage is taking up for ya and yelling about the rats he says are after you. Hope Cain has a strong team on damage control and it's okay and he's new on a national stage getting use to it. Don't lose it and punch the media in the nose ! Inconsistany in this story is a fair evaluation. Did he sexually harass a woman or not and that's the bottom line. Cain says he did not ! Not lost in the split hair confusion over "agreement vs settlement" and or Perry's team leaking the story. We'll all sing Amazing Grace and God Bless ya Cain. I like him but for President of the US ? Make the media you're best friend and tell the truth or they'll chew you're socks off. This is nothing and he's not even in the run off yet and that's a mean ballgame. Will they count the votes in Florida and no bias no bull ! ? Cain did a good job clearing the air of confusion with CNN's Robin Meade. Say what you want about the National media but that's what we've got folks,like it or not.Gee,there are those smart enough to further investigate to make up their our own minds seeing through the mud flying politically. Do they think Americans believe everything they hear on the radio and TV about politics ? Are you kidding ! Why should we care if someone on Perry's team leaked this story to the press ? Did he sexually harass the woman or not ? Perry denied the association !Get on with what you're doing for the USA and how, with solutions now ! To much dirt and dust on the Cain trail and let it settle for clarity and the proof of allegations and then decide. What is Obama doing about Fast and Furious ? When do our US manufactures come home to create jobs ? When do they fix NAFTA and out trade agreements ? How much is China spending to get their products into the US ? Who's in charge of neg. that ? Why isn't the news asking ?

    November 3, 2011 at 11:19 am |
  19. sunnysmom

    To me, it's less about the incident and more about how he's handling it now. If he was accused of some things 10 years ago, come out rationally and truthfully tell us what happened, tactfully deny it and say, "that's it, I'm moving on to talk about what matters". Him getting hostile, defensive and blaming the Perry campaign isn't helping his cause. It's insulting to our intelligence to have them tell us that the "victim" involved got a settlement or severance purely because he made a comment about her height...give me a break. Come clean and move on.

    November 3, 2011 at 9:54 am |
  20. Rogelio

    One question? Why were these woman paid off and signed a confidentiality agreement concerning Cain's behavior? The whole scenario exhibits nothing but guilt of Cain's part and the Restaurant Association saving face by their actions keeping these women's mouth shut. Cain is not Clinton. Cain is Cain and should accept the responsibility for his actions. Conservative lackys will run all kinds of circles exhbiting nothing but ignorance and hate. Just the way they are.
    Take the trash (9% Boehner) out of the House and vote straight dem. Can't wait to vote .

    November 3, 2011 at 9:06 am |
    • Joe

      Who is paying off this woman and her attorney? They have to be getting something out of this. The attorney isn't going to provide his time for nothing and if the woman just wants to get on with her life why did she even make a statement to be read on national TV? If this realy happened why did they wait until Cain started pulling ahead in the poles before they brought it out. Smells like a rat to me.

      November 4, 2011 at 5:13 pm |
  21. Justice

    I was the supervisor of a person accused of harassment. After almost 2 years in which no proof was ever found, the agency settled for 5 figures to avoid further legal costs. At no point was he ever found guilty and there was no disciplinary action. So, was it harassment? No. It was an accusation that was never proven and was paid off not based on guilt but based on economics. If you asked her, she would say he was guilty. This looks to be the same thing. An accusation does not mean guilt.

    November 3, 2011 at 8:36 am |
  22. Dontbow

    Hilarious to see the dems trash this guy over these allegations after they blew off clintons deviant activity while president. affairs and harrasment both go towards character not a legality manner. If he was guilty back when it happened then it should have been pursued then. Don't wait 10 years later and then prosecute him.

    November 2, 2011 at 11:39 pm |
    • Brian

      Thank you. Only 10+ years after a story, does the media think it is a story? The lawyer did not even know it was Cain, and somehow this makes front page news? Had this been Edwards or Clinton, the media would have ignored it for at least a full year. Everyone pretends Clinton did not harass those women, when he did.

      November 3, 2011 at 9:26 am |
    • jheron

      How are the Dems trashing him exactly on this matter? Cain can be trashed for his ridiculous policies, his incredible ignorance about...well, mostly everything....and his dumb comments that he continues to spew. I personally think making jokes about electricuting illegal immigrants from someone running for Pesident is in extremely poor taste.
      I definitely don't know the whole story with Cain and these women...and neither do you. He could be totally innocent, it could have been something someone misinterpreted, or it could have actually been inappropriate behaviour on Mr. Cain's part. I do not do not know. I will not judge the man on this story.

      November 3, 2011 at 9:33 am |
    • JustMe

      I am so sick of GOP'ers comparing Cain to Clinton. Clinton did not stake out the holy and high moral ground when running for President, Cain did which IMO makes Cain a hypocrite, because he is professing to be something he is not. Bill never did that and if he had I would rake him over the coals too. What Bill did was not acceptable, but once again Clinton never professed to be something he was not and that is my biggest issue with Cain. And besides, I think Clinton by being impeached more than paid the price of what he did.

      November 3, 2011 at 9:40 am |
    • archibald

      Unless I'm mistaken, these allegations (or at least some of them) WERE pursued back then...hence the settlement.

      November 3, 2011 at 10:42 am |
    • SC4ME


      There is a big difference between consensual affairs (regardless of the marital state of the participants) and un-wanted sexual advances from a work superior.

      November 3, 2011 at 11:23 am |
    • tekstep1

      Affairs are consentual. Harrassment is not. Big difference.

      November 3, 2011 at 12:08 pm |
    • Katie

      Nobody blew off Clinton. As I recall, the amount of publicity Clinton received for his inability to act appropriately around women was CONSTANTLY shoved in our face. And as I recall, the parade of women with whom he had inappropriate conduct were interested in letting people know he had had affairs with them and not very interested in having people view them as victims. These women accusing Cain are not claiming they had affairs, but that they received unwanted, unsolicited, offensive attention. This is much more similar to the Anita Hill/Clarence Thomas news, and it's really sad that this country hasn't progressed on this issue since then.

      November 3, 2011 at 12:25 pm |
    • A. Goodwin

      I'm not a Democrat, but I know many who are and who did not support Clinton's actions. Take into consideration, though, that "if" these allegations are true – Cain was sexually harassing these women. Clinton's scandals – while they were wrong – were completely consensual.

      November 3, 2011 at 12:30 pm |
    • Nah

      Not to mention there was virtually conclusive proof that Clinton harassed other women, or, at the very least, had consensual encounters with them.

      There's no evidence showing Cain harassed anyone. Settlement agreements are not evidence because the motivations that underly a settlement are so wide and varying. Hence, concluding he did harass a woman is completely unjustified.

      November 3, 2011 at 1:08 pm |
    • steven harnack

      He was. The women got paid,basically proving the allegations were correct. Now he's denying that ANYthing took place. It has now become two separate issues and he comes across badly in both of them.

      November 3, 2011 at 1:32 pm |
    • Willie

      Hilarious to see the GOP blow this guy off over these allegations after they trashed clintons similar activity while running for president.

      November 3, 2011 at 1:45 pm |
    • ian

      It's not the Democrats that are fueling this fire. We actually want Cain to win the nomination, because he has absolutely no chance of beating Obama. Look to Team Mitt and their Rove-led brain trust.

      November 3, 2011 at 2:03 pm |
    • queenbee10

      MLK wanted the day to come when we judged men on the "content of their character". We need to consider that sexual harassment demonstrates not only an abuse of power but that abuse that involves subjugation of an employee or coworker, disrespect for the rules of the workplace and for a person's marriage (if they are marriage) That is a whole lot of disrespect and disregard going on–you mention character. If the allegations are true–then Cain gets an F- in character. if they are not, then he stands to lose nothing by weathering the storm (like Obama did for the many things said against him by Hillary and the republicans) The bottom line is–we do not need anyone who already abuses any type of power for their personal pleasure or gratification to be in charge of the most powerful country on earth as for Clinton–I think people did not believe the charges being that they came from the opposition but this time they appear to come from inside and are very much like the Clarence Thomas debacle.

      November 3, 2011 at 2:03 pm |
    • Arch

      I don't know if he's guilty – he's merely acting as if he's guilty. Either way, the issue is a distraction from focusing on Cain's misguided economic proposals, his lack of intelligence, and that he's merely just another sleazy corporate stooge/lobbyist.

      November 3, 2011 at 2:34 pm |
    • rick

      You don't get it. nobody is talking about prosecuting the guy dummy. He settled with the accuser(s) to keep her quiet. The issue isn't whether or not he will be prosecuted, he won't. The issue is whether or not this is a character issue and whether or not it would have an effect on whether or not people would vote for him.
      It is more an issue on his judgment to me. Also, if there was a confidentiality agreement prohibiting the women from speaking then it is garbage for him to deny it and challenge them to come forward if he knows they can't without violating the settlement.
      Whether he did it or not is something we may never know if the women are prohibited from speaking out.

      November 3, 2011 at 4:25 pm |
  23. Jim

    Gingrich should keep quiet

    Gingrich should keep quiet about this issue since he's one of the HOLY republicans who were caught in the very act.

    November 2, 2011 at 10:56 pm |
  24. Griff

    "Listen up! here is the news: Then whole load of adds to dum it down??? What a way to kill a story!"

    November 2, 2011 at 10:29 pm |
  25. Griff

    "Nobody needs to go without good wholsome food when you travel. Quote

    Bradford is the Curry Capital of Britain 2011 after beating four-times winner and current title holder Glasgow into second place.

    The announcement was made at lunchtime today by competition organisers The Federation of Specialist Restaurants.

    The district scored highly in every sector and the judges decided the Bradford bid showed deep understanding of the curry sector and particularly noted the creation of the International Food Academy and the Food Ministry.

    November 2, 2011 at 10:20 pm |
  26. Gene Brady

    He even LOOKS like Clarence Thomas!!!

    November 2, 2011 at 9:22 pm |
  27. Faux

    Where's his birth certificate at? And his college transcripts?

    What's he got to hide!?!?!??!?

    Whoops, it's a GOP candidate, nevermind

    November 2, 2011 at 9:12 pm |
  28. Dubya

    Cain's testiness is not understandable.

    He needs to stop lying.

    November 2, 2011 at 9:09 pm |
  29. SF

    Right on Wolf.

    November 2, 2011 at 8:35 pm |
  30. Thomas

    The last time I checked, the Restaurant Association paid each accuser a year's salary to keep quiet. Nothing like an expensive out-of-court-settlement to convince the world you're innocent of what you've been accused. Cain's challenge is that he has never held public office or been accountable to anyone outside the business world. No public trust has been built to help cushion a fall like this. That's not to say it's over for Cain, but...

    November 2, 2011 at 8:12 pm |
    • Adam

      Stop worrying about stuff that irrelevant to the challenges that we face as a country. All of these harassment claims B.S. happened a long time ago, so let them be gone. The law didn't pursue him back then, and everyone got compensated so what's the point of stirring it back up?

      November 2, 2011 at 10:15 pm |
      • Aimer

        Well, Adam, some people actually care about the integrity of someone who is running for the POTUS. And certainly the Repubs had their field day with Clinton. Oh, but that was different, wasn't it?

        November 3, 2011 at 7:15 am |
      • SomeGuy

        It is important because if he abused his power back then, he will surely do it as President tomorrow.

        November 3, 2011 at 11:42 am |
      • JMM

        Well, it was stirred up so Cain needs to deal with it. Unfortunately for him, he has dealt with it extremely poorly. First he denied it, then said he didn't remember, then remembered something, made contradictory statements, and then called the women liars. His totally incompetant response is an even bigger issue than what may or may not have happened years ago & THAT is totally relevant regarding a man who wants us to elect him President. Politco even said they gave his campaign 10 days notice and yet Cain still bumbles his way through this. Add this to his comment that he didn't know China had nuclear weapons and you've got someone who is playing in something way over his head.

        November 3, 2011 at 11:49 am |
      • A. Goodwin

        "If" the allegations are true, I think most people would agree that we really do not need someone of his caliber (low) in the White House.

        November 3, 2011 at 12:33 pm |
    • John in Colorado

      These sexual-harrassment claims, if found to have substance, speak to Cain's moral character. And not necessarily the sexual peccadilloes that raise concern. For those he must answer to his wife and family. It is the lying. Lying to the American people is a breach of trust. That is what Bill Clinton was accused of. It does not necessarily speak to whether Cain would make a good president. Clinton was otherwise arguably an effective President. Many of us certainly did well on his watch. Although we had a hint of Clinton's "problem" before the election, we did not know enough about it when we had alternatives we could consider. But it also came at a cost to this country: distraction of Congress, the humiliation of Impeaching a sitting president and having him stand trial in the Senate. I don't ever want to go through that again. Most Americans want to know that our president is a principled and trustworthy person. They represents us around the world for heaven's sake. In Cain's situation, this has come to light early. The caucuses and primaries have not even begun yet. And because of what we learned about Bill Clinton, we are going to want to get at the truth about Cain early. That is only fair to the American people. Now we learn there is a third accuser and a witness. And, these are NOT covered by Confidentiality Agreements. Let's drill down on these and find out what's really the truth. If it turns out that Cain, a Minister of the Church, is a hypocrite and is lying to us, to his accusers causing them added pain, and to his family, I believe we must reject his candidacy forcefully.

      November 3, 2011 at 6:18 am |
      • Palin2112

        Good point John. It would seem to a rational person that a contender for the white house has to at least demonstrate some ability to convince those whose votes he is soliciting that he us not lying to them.

        Unless of course they are a TEA party candidate, then truth and logic can be ignored.

        November 3, 2011 at 6:49 pm |
    • Bernard Webb

      OK, I'll say it. It's over for Cain. Who knows what new revelations will come out today, or tomorrow, or the next day? He's toast.

      November 3, 2011 at 6:58 am |
    • dan pilon

      we all should know by now that a $35000 settlement shows he is innocent. If he was guilty there would be no settlement and it would of went to the eeoc. or the accuser would of wanted a lot bigger settlement for being sexualy harrased wouldnt you I still dont know if it was a sexual harrasment complaint or innappropriate behavior. Since cnn is unclear with this i beleive its the later. P.S. why is everybody at cnn so bent out of shape about greece letting the people vote on their economic future. if the people were able to vote on their economy in the first place the world wouldnt be in such economic chaos. It is very scary when the eu says "if you let the people vote your kicked out" . Ali realy seems upset about this vote.If the accusers are allowed to speak cant they say anything they want unvalidated.

      November 3, 2011 at 10:24 am |
    • Rbnlegend101

      Harassment is a civil suit, not a criminal suit. The government does not bring the case in a civil suit, the victim does. One way to avoid a court case, and a public record, is to settle out of court, which is what happened here. That doesn't mean his behavior was ok, or that he was guilty, it just means neither side wanted to go to court and the settlement was acceptable to both parties.

      If he is handling this situation this badly, with advance notice, and plenty of examples on how to deal with it well, how would he handle the 2am phone call? Deny, minimize, delay, and deny some more?

      November 3, 2011 at 11:21 am |
    • bill

      $35K and $45K is not expensive. Try contact a lawyer regarding this issue. It is cheaper to settle and basically pay off a complainer and get rid of her rather than go through the trial. I would ask the woman's lawyer "If your case was so solid (and worth big bucks) why did you settle for so little?".

      November 3, 2011 at 4:10 pm |
  31. Sedona

    Cain yells at the reporters, then he gives that weird smile. Is he angry or is he just joking?

    November 2, 2011 at 8:00 pm |
    • mfx3

      oh come on...cain gets to yell at reporters, perry gets to decide whether he'll participate in any more debates and if so, whether he'll even answer the questions asked, and on and on. didn't you know republicans are above scrutiny, since they've concocted this whole "leftist lamestream media" smoke and mirror bit?

      November 3, 2011 at 1:02 am |
  32. hassan ben fould

    The definition and perception of sexual harrassment is constantly changing & often it is modified to suit the accuser's purpose. Also, it is rarely possible to disprove a charge. An innocent one-liner can be a killer in one setting but not another. There should be a time limit on reviving old charges & in the case of H. Cain, the press should lay off. I'm tempted to vote for Cain in the primary, just as a counter-accuser.

    November 2, 2011 at 7:47 pm |
    • Penny Azam

      I agree with you! I like Herman Cain and the media and Wolfie are not fooling me either.

      November 2, 2011 at 10:04 pm |
      • mfx3

        yeah, me either. i don't care if reporters, lawyers, victims, or anyone else uncovers naughty behavior from cain's past. since we can't seem to get behind anyone else, i choose to ignore the fact he's a sexual predator so we can have a good christian republican in the white house again!

        November 3, 2011 at 1:05 am |
    • Dale

      Exactly. In cases lacking clear proof, a 'he said she said' scenario involving publicity and lawyers is a lengthy and expensive process. And as you pointed out, there's no guarantee that you can clear your name definitlvely. And these were not "huge payouts"...... 35K (a years salary).

      November 2, 2011 at 10:13 pm |
    • Jean Sartre, Milwauke, WI

      Mr. sexual harassment will NOT be in the primary; so, vote on...

      November 2, 2011 at 10:13 pm |
    • windrider2

      You should read the story from the GOP pollster in Politico. He witnessed an incident in a restaurant that made him and others at the table so uncomfortable that they asked Cain to stop. There's nothing ambiguous about that kind of incident. He also said that it was common knowledge at the association why the women left, that the campaign knew the story would come out sooner or later. Yet clearly, the campaign was totally unprepared to deal with it when it did. I don't know about you but if my President knows something rather disastrous is going to happen and makes no plans to deal with it and simply flails his/her way through it, I don't want him or her in the White House. It isn't just the womanizing that's the issue; it's Cain's incredibly clumsy way of handling it that marks him as the kind of amateur we do NOT need in the White House.

      November 3, 2011 at 4:18 am |
  33. susie

    even before this story broke my "spidey senses" were telling me this guy is creepy in a sexual way... that video of him introducing the lady singers were he calls them "delectable" made my skin crawl... innocent till proven guilty I know but these stories kinda confirm what my gut was telling me

    November 2, 2011 at 7:42 pm |
    • Katie

      She doesn't even have to say no for it to be harassment. Someone needs some sensitivity training...

      November 3, 2011 at 12:13 pm |
  34. jack

    Its only harrassment when she says no... which he heard a whole lot of.. gotta know when to take the hint bro

    November 2, 2011 at 7:26 pm |
  35. Paul

    The most significant thing about this is not that Cain might be guilty of sexual harassment but rather how he has reacted to the allegations. He has revealed that he's a liar and manipulator. I think he can kiss his chances of being taken seriously goodbye.

    November 2, 2011 at 7:23 pm |
    • mfx3

      I think you overestimate conservatives' sense of moral integrity...they'll get behind him and blame cain's past on the media for drudging up old news. after all, he sexually assaulted these women years ago! as we all know, sexual predators are just going through a phase and routinely grow out of it.

      November 3, 2011 at 1:08 am |
  36. MTATL67

    This did not just come out of the blue. He had to know this would come out. Everyone has seen what happens when accusations regarding this subject are leveled. For Mr. Cain to say and react the way he has been is unacceptable. As a former CEO and radio talk show host he know that you must be prepared before you make your statements or comments. His unpreparedness and reaction indicates that he did not tell anyone on his campaign staff that this potential damaging accusations were out there. He should have come clean with his campaign staff and they should have had a statement ready to go to the press five minutes after this store broke. If he would have done that then his only response to questions "I have already addressed that lets get back to the issues". Mr. Cain was a CEO and as such he know you don't blame others because you are unprepared.

    November 2, 2011 at 7:20 pm |
    • Rbnlegend101

      He was warned by the web site that broke the story, 10 days in advance. It was very much not "out of the blue". Apparantly he decided to pretend it wasn't going to happen. Denial is not a good approach to crisis management. He could have killed the story by disclosing the settlements before the news article, but opted to prented nothing was happening.

      November 3, 2011 at 11:24 am |
  37. manny oliver

    Herman Cain sexual harassment allegations, If the complainers are white female good by Mr Cain.

    November 2, 2011 at 7:05 pm |
  38. Tim Scott

    All the people saying this stuff are Republicans. Chris Wilson witnessed inappropriate behavior towards a staff person at a resturant and says others were there and had to tell Cain to stop. Another conservative talk radio host says Cain made inappropriate comments to his staff. Stop blaming the Democrats. We're just sitting back and enjoying the show.

    November 2, 2011 at 6:59 pm |
    • Texas Tumbleweed

      Whenever it's news they don't like they blame it on the "liberal press."

      November 2, 2011 at 10:36 pm |
  39. Joel Miller

    I don't like Cain's politics and never would vote for him. But I can't blame him for getting ticked. Once allegations like this have been made, which go to a persons core, even if he is exonerated, he can never fully patch things up. I'd be ticked too.

    November 2, 2011 at 6:57 pm |
    • steven harnack

      But then again, you aren't asking millions of voters to make you the leader of the most powerful nation on earth. How someone reacts to adversity is a measure of their character and he is failing badly.

      November 3, 2011 at 1:44 pm |
  40. LtButRt

    This has right wing gutter political tactics written all over it. The motivation is merely racial. God forbid two black men the only choices for POTUS. These people would throw their mothers under the bus to get their way.

    November 2, 2011 at 6:56 pm |
  41. Greg, Ontario

    The media decided he never had a chance when it started now they have knives to throw. Before this, people really weren't caring about his short comings. The media tried to turn them but were getting the "oh shut up response" now who knows? When you consider the low IQ of the average American voter and the arrogance of the American media this could finish him.

    November 2, 2011 at 6:52 pm |
    • Jean Sartre, Milwauke, WI

      I would certainly agree 100% with your last sentence.

      Having said that, the American media, CNN especially, has given Mr. Cain a tremendous amount of ostensibly undue media coverage, as opposed to other Republic Party contenders. They had virtually anointed this man.

      Now, let us sit back and see what happens... it will not be pretty!

      November 2, 2011 at 10:24 pm |
  42. qwedie

    There is no way the GOP will let a Black Man represent the party, the GOP most likely got the story started in the first place. I said this some time back.

    November 2, 2011 at 6:35 pm |
  43. bcm

    If he can't answer these questions, he may as well go back to the pizza place. What job does he think he's asking for? Has he never seen how political campaigns work? If there are skeletons in your closet – they will be revealed!

    November 2, 2011 at 6:23 pm |
    • MR in DC

      EXACTLY! How does he not know that something like this would come to light when you are seeking the highest office in the land??? Commander in Chief of the most powerful nation on earth and you don't think anybody's gonna do a background check??? Come on Hermy!

      November 3, 2011 at 6:48 am |
  44. esco

    If u paying 2 females money to shut up and not tell anyone about what happened then that right there shows your guilty ...Y else have them shut up ??

    November 2, 2011 at 6:22 pm |
    • Stephen

      Companies are always settling cases outside of court as they don't want to pay the huge expenses associated with litigation. It is very common practice. I should also mention when these cases are settled the accusers sign a document saying they were never sexually harassed.

      I have a more important question. How does any of this matter to the current state of our Country??? I would much rather an intelligent and honest debate on our Countries policies. Politics has become way too dirty regardless of your political leanings we need to fight for our representatives rights.

      November 2, 2011 at 11:14 pm |
      • mfx3

        yeah but still, nobody wants a president who spends his days chasing skirts around the white house.

        November 3, 2011 at 1:13 am |
      • Aimer

        Agree with your second paragraph except that to some people, integrity matters in a presidential candidate and if there is a question of that, it needs to be looked at. Your first paragraph is pure BS.

        November 3, 2011 at 7:19 am |
      • SC4ME

        The reason this relates to his campaign is that Mr. Cain was aware of this story for over a decade (when the actual event occured). Then he was reminded about it when questioned about 10 days before the story broke. In all that time, Mr. Cain never notified his campaign nor did he do a risk analysis and create a set response for when the story did become public (which he was notified it was going to happen).

        This all demonstrates someone who is flying blind, without any real plans or strategies. No contingencies, no risk analysis. Is that a person you want running the country? Really?

        November 3, 2011 at 11:33 am |
      • tannim

        It goes to the character of the potential leader and his leadership skills and perception.

        Frankly, sexual harassment in political circles is not only common, but downright normal.

        There's plenty of other reasons to not like Cain in his policies, but the inherent prudishness of the American people is what makes this news. Big deal.

        November 3, 2011 at 11:43 am |
  45. TeaPartyNonApologist

    I head the audio of Cain "loosing his cool." He said, I'm here to talk about health care (or some such) and no other topic." Then some idiot reporter immediately asks him about this scandal, and he said, "I said I'm not discussing that here." Then another reporter jumps in (or the same guy, you can't really tell) at which point Cain said "I'm not talking abotu it, what part of No don't some people understand." His tone was firm, but not angry – he hardly blew his cool – I'm actually more impressed. This is why no one is playing the soundbite (other than talk radio), because it actually shows him responding responsibly.

    November 2, 2011 at 6:19 pm |
    • lisa2010

      if ever i was to put Caine against Obama when it comes to loosing his cool, Caine would lose by a long shot.. with all the allegations that been bought against Obama and others throughout his whole presidency i say he has kept his cool, to the point that the american citizens think he's weak and have no leadership.. when it comes to foreign policy i would rather have a cool-headed president, then a quick-tempered one...

      November 3, 2011 at 11:30 am |
    • steven harnack

      Candidates for political office don't, shouldn't and really have no business, telling the press what they will or will not answer questions about. Would you have them give reporters a list of questions that THEY want to be asked?

      November 3, 2011 at 1:49 pm |
  46. Mark from Louisiana

    hey blitzer how about some proof?

    November 2, 2011 at 6:04 pm |
    • dan pilon

      Please, what does proof have to do with ripping down the republican front runner. Turn your t.v. to cnn or msnbc any time and they will be talking about cain. Wolfe will have his proof as soon as the accusers get to say anything they want, unproven and unsubstantiated. Thats all the proof needed, right.

      November 3, 2011 at 10:36 am |
  47. Jane

    Who wouldn't be testy after being badgered by these reporters?
    Wouldn't it have been nice if the media had been this aggressive with the John Edwards story? Why did the media choose to ignore the rumors while he was a Presidential candidate? Could his having a "d" after his name have something to do with it?

    November 2, 2011 at 6:00 pm |
    • Aimer

      Actually, no, Jane. The media jumped ALL over the Edwards story as soon as it came out. But you have a "convenient" memory regarding that, don't you? I'm sure it's just as convenient about Bill Clinton. This article also doesn't state Clinton did or didn't do anything wrong, only that he handled the situation a lot better than Cain is handling his. Time will prove this true, as Clinton went on to win the nomination, whereas Cain will soon sink like a stone – and for reasons utterly unrelated to this scandal, although how he's handling this won't help either.

      November 3, 2011 at 7:24 am |
  48. frank

    Althought I'm not a Cain supporter, where was this "investigative journalism" with Obama in 2008? There were material character questions raised by a few poeple but the mainstream media didnt want to pursue them. I'd like to see all candidates get the same level of scrutiny. Is that too much to ask?

    November 2, 2011 at 5:57 pm |
    • sqeptiq

      So what were those material issues?

      November 2, 2011 at 10:21 pm |
  49. Scott mackeracher

    It is only CNN that seems to have an interest in keeping this story going. Most people want jobs and nobody will beat President Obama in 2012. There are many more important news stories happening now.

    November 2, 2011 at 5:51 pm |
  50. TruthinPolitics

    We're talking about character, nothing more and nothing less.

    November 2, 2011 at 5:41 pm |
  51. TruthinPolitics

    It's a good thing that this came out now before he gaiend toomuch traction. Now a 3rd woman has come forward with a similar report of sexual harassment. Is this what this nation deserves to inhabit the oval office? We can do better then the junk food baron.

    November 2, 2011 at 5:38 pm |
    • Jane

      Sexual harassment charges came out about Bill Clinton before he became President, and that didn't seem to bother Democratic voters.
      Is there a double standard now for Republicans?

      November 2, 2011 at 6:00 pm |
      • 77radio

        No double standards just good old republican politics brought to you by Karl Row, Tom Delay, The Swift Boat group and K street lobbyists Oh yes, let’s throw in Rick Perry

        November 2, 2011 at 8:25 pm |
      • X-Republikan

        Oh, you're right...republicans have NO standards.

        November 2, 2011 at 10:48 pm |
      • Aimer

        Your durn tootin' there's a double standard, Jane. What Repubs were frothing at the mouth about with Cliniton, they are now defending with Cain. You tell me. And by the way, there's a difference between having an affair and sexually harrassing someone.

        November 3, 2011 at 7:28 am |
      • Rbnlegend101

        Is there a double standard for Republicans? Seems to be. They impeached Clinton and want to elect Cain.

        The accusation came from a news organization that strongly supports the Republican party. This isn't democrats hunting a republican candidate, this is still pre-primary. At this point in the process, it's all internal to the republicans. The incumbant generally stays above the squabbling of the primaries. Although I think last time around, we saw the republicans try to bias the results towards an opponent they thought they could beat. Turns out the black guy with the wierd name was not easier to beat than Hillary Clinton. Big miscalculation there.

        November 3, 2011 at 11:30 am |
      • Palin2112

        Jane, you must be a member of the TEA party. Democrats WERE bothered by the allegations against Clinton. But he faced them head on. Cain knew that this would become public for ten days prior to the story becoming public. What idd he do? Put out an campaign ad with a guy blowing smoke in our faces. Not too smart ya think?

        November 3, 2011 at 12:28 pm |
  52. Jack

    he's toast! why doesn't the Perry camp just hand over the nomination to Romney on a silver platter while they're at it!

    November 2, 2011 at 5:37 pm |
  53. Jim Thomas

    It is sad that lowlifes will do anything to win.Hang in there Herman,our country NEEDS YOU.Jim Thomas PHX.Az.

    November 2, 2011 at 5:31 pm |
    • dan pilon

      its very sad. the only people looking bad are the media. i hope this story stays around a long time, but it wont. as soon as they realize they are helping cain this story will dissapear. To herman Cain, please hang in there. P.s. where is Sharpton and the others. If this was happening to their man they would be crying foul.

      November 3, 2011 at 11:02 am |
  54. billy zarcone

    hopefully where get to the truth in this early caMPAIGn.this is not the first time or i regretablly say will not be the last.this cancer has spread its tumors and it is getting bigger.

    November 2, 2011 at 5:08 pm |
  55. Ro Procko

    I just saw commentary about supposed corroboration of the Cain harrassment story. Thats all that I heard was than a man named Chris Wilson who works for the Perry campaign "was aware of "IT"". But the "it" that I understand he was referring to was the fact that a harassment case had occurred in the past. The "it" was the case. But no where in the story did I hear him actually say that sexual harassment had actually been committed. He did not say he witnessed any harassment, merely that he among others were aware of the case and that is NOT the same as the way you tried to "spin" the story to imply that he was backing up the woman's story. Unless he said I witnessed Mr. Cain commit sexual harassment your spin is unfair and biased. I believe it is a sign that CNN is biased toward President Obama and that liberals are afraid of Mr. Cain, a viable conservative black candidate! If the witness said he witnessed the harassment you need a clear quote of him saying so. You did not present one so he obviously did not say it. Nice try.

    November 2, 2011 at 5:02 pm |
    • Going In Circles

      Two woman have been paid off.
      Lets sweep sexual misconduct under the rug,
      after all the Republicans are so desperate to take back the White House
      anything goes.

      Does Herman or his supporters think he gets a free pass ?
      My guess is that a black conservative is better than a black democrat.
      You people blast everything Obama does (Golf/vacation)
      But everything a republican does is just fine.

      So hellbent on defending your "Brand" that you cant see the trees for the forrest.
      Republicans are a sad group of people hanging on to a dead political life.

      November 2, 2011 at 6:34 pm |
    • pat carr

      "I believe it is a sign that CNN is biased toward President Obama and that liberals are afraid of Mr. Cain, a viable conservative black candidate!"

      Liberals are afraid – LOL. Dream on, sucker!

      November 2, 2011 at 9:05 pm |
    • Jean Sartre, Milwauke, WI

      Sorry, no one is AFRAID of Hermie Cain, not the 2 women – or is it 3 now or more – who courageous put it in his face and would not stand for his gross immaturity and certainly not CNN who has been devoting 22 hour per day promoting this inane country bumpkin...

      November 2, 2011 at 10:38 pm |
  56. Hayk from Toronto

    Did I miss something?! What happened to the idea of innocent until proven guilty?! Has the media decided they can act as the judge, jury and the executioner? Has a court date been set? Just because there are claims does not mean there is wrong doing. Nor should political pendants in media be allowed to seat in judgment.

    November 2, 2011 at 4:33 pm |
    • CNNuthin

      This article is not saying that he is guilty. Just that he cannot handle the press or being on the receiving end of negative comments. As President, you cannot throw a fit every time you don't get your way. If you did, well you would be in Congress.

      November 2, 2011 at 5:45 pm |
      • lol

        have you actually heard his "fit." I find it very interesting how many articles there are claiming he lost it when all he did was stand his ground against pestering reporters. But I guess everything you read on the internet is true.

        November 3, 2011 at 11:53 am |
    • Grand Oil Party

      That goes out the window when you pay off the witness – after that, you may assume a person is guilty.

      November 2, 2011 at 5:57 pm |
    • chuckly

      innocent until proven guilty goes out the door when you pay the victims hush money. He could have had his day in court but paid them off instead. That was his choice.

      November 2, 2011 at 6:10 pm |
    • USMaverick

      Innocent until proven guilty, is in the court of law. You and other canadian brothers can wait for that, and hold your breath.

      In the court of public opinion, honesty and body language goes a LONG way. CLEARLY, Cain is failing. he can't keep ONE story straight. if there is NOTHING to worry, then just let those women speak what they have to, and Cain can say his side of the story. people will decide.

      November 2, 2011 at 7:10 pm |
      • dan pilon

        Can someone please tell me where Cain is failing. You all say hes toast. Can you point me to the information showing this. Everywhere I look it shows he is still rising despite this amazing effort. If you cant Knock him down with this , that means you didnt fool anyone. Try again.

        November 3, 2011 at 11:10 am |
    • havoth

      Innocent until proven guilty is for CRIMINAL matters that actually make it to the courts – not civil matters like this. A settlement payment and a forced agreement of total silence is bribery for silence. And that Mr. Cain has mentioned this numerous times in the press, and has been dismissive and somewhat disresepectful of any of these women (multiple women paid off to go away) is unseemly. The problem with the sexual harassment issue is if you go to court on this civil matter – if enough witnesses (if any) come forward you might just get nothing for your trouble. If you settle, you have to agree to not say anything. I resent that both scenarios leave the offender free to do and say as he pleases while the person he hurt/embarassed is silenced (no doubt somebody thought he hurt her, they paid her for that reason)

      November 2, 2011 at 7:28 pm |
      • lol

        where are you getting your information. If Cain was guilty do you honestly believe the woman would have just walked away for a year's salary. That is nothing. Do you have any idea what she could have made through litigation, if he is guilty. By the way, taking money for silence isn't a "forced agreement." I don't know where you're getting your info from, but you better re-think it.

        November 3, 2011 at 11:58 am |
    • Bub

      He lied about it. Anyone who heard his response knows that. Whether or not he did it is a second issue altogether.

      November 2, 2011 at 7:29 pm |

      innocent until proven guilty
      Only in the court room.
      People have the right (freedom of speech)
      to speculate, and discuss.
      Do you have a problem with that ?

      November 2, 2011 at 7:59 pm |
      • Mark

        It's not a case of having a problem with it, of course people are going to speculate; I would hate to be in his position but alas he IS running for president, your history in that context is relevant; and on this matter Blitzer is correct – whether you survive the crisis or flame out, you can come across as the better person if it is handled well. So far it has not been handled very well.

        November 3, 2011 at 4:00 pm |
  57. g k huse

    only if he is guilty

    November 2, 2011 at 4:32 pm |
  58. Jim Rousch, Mission Viejo, CA

    We aren't talking about an affair, we're talking about sexual harassment. There's a difference.

    November 2, 2011 at 4:27 pm |
    • Henry

      Affairs are legal. Sexual harassment isn't.

      November 2, 2011 at 6:38 pm |

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